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movements of 1980s - Shared screen with gallery view
Tesserae Urban Social Research
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Miguel A. Martínez
Christian, your screen is still being shared.
Alan Moore
Ashley Thayer (she/her)
24 hours, cool! Better than NYC!
Heinz Nigg
Great pictures from the Kraakers movement in A-Dam! I remember well how the 80s movemen in Zurich was inspired by the rebels from the streets of Amsterdam.
Roger H Keil
Same in Frankfurt. Kraakers had mythic status
Heinz Nigg
Already the provos of 68 have a mythical presence in the social movement memory in Western Europe.
Ashley Thayer (she/her)
Yes! Where can we watch this?
Keith Halfacree
What is coming across strongly here to me is if squatters are to survive a Lefebvrian 'trial by space' then local connections / support is absolutely critical...
Ashley Thayer (she/her)
Sabine Bröck
hi roger, happy to have gotten in to this right when you came up!
Sabine Bröck
question to roger: could you say a little more about the fact that in the ^1980s frankfurt was the first and only really americanized city as it were, in germany, and how that impacted the struggles?
Roger H Keil
Happy to talk about this in the discussion, Bine.
Roger H Keil
And thanks for listening
Jenny Robinson
Great to hear of links from these European movements to internationalist struggles, anti-racism, anti-apartheid, Iran, Poland etc. But how did you learn from the *urban* movements in these places? Did it make you think about how urban struggles relate to wider national transformation struggles - why did squatting matter? sorry I can't ask in person right now.
Sabine Bröck
but the violence has never altogether disappeared, see the struggles in hambvrger forst, and in leipzig THIS year!° i think that needs a lot more differentiation…
Philipp Klaus
The police violence of 1980 has never been unveiled or a process in the public. And indeed the means of the police have ‚improved’ significantly.
Keith Halfacree
In terms of connections, to what extent did these very urban movements connect with the more rural back to the land countercultures of the times? (If we have time as I know we're running a bit late!)
Sabine Bröck
the startbahn struggles were really not about lcultrure. they were aboiut defending the interests of an entire region against being made into a space of US militarization and global power frestructuring
Ute Lehrer
Thank you, for finally addressing the gender question.
Sabine Bröck
no nbo noi, this was NIOt an entirely masculinist movement.they were a lot of wiomen in the regionla mobilization, anmd also from ffm. feminists
virginie mamadouh
plenty of women too in Amsterdam urban movements - including women only squats and women only spaces around1980
Ute Lehrer
My point would have been that (a) women were involved; (b) that for whatever reason the history is portrait by men mostly; (c) and that gender does not mean that men were the street fighters and women had a different role. I was a street fighter in Zurich in 1980 and 1981.
virginie mamadouh
I agree with all point Ute raises and 1980 was the very moment these gender roles were heavily disputed within the movements
Angela Stienen
I also agree and the all-women places created at that time had to be disputed and violently defended
Alan Smart
Owen Hatherley is brilliant
Roger H Keil
My point was exactly about changing gender roles: us men learned that there were other ways to be radical and revolutionary than to be masculinist. This is certainly one of the things that changing gender roles meant for men of my generation. #männerphantasien. So please don’t take my comment as cementing traditional gender roles.
Heinz Nigg
Squatting in London. See also John Hopkins, a king of London Underground: https://rebelvideo.ch/portraits/john-hoppy-hopkins/ 😊
André Bideau
screen share for us?
Keith Halfacree
A true legend Heinz!
Roger H Keil
London ring roads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUEHWhO_HdY
Sabine Bröck
thanx for brin giung in the italian influence. i was in one of those leftist groups that were so much more influenced by lotta continua than by classsical maoism or traditional communism
Alan Smart
Thinking of this question of the difference between the 1980s and the earlier 1960s movements I’m struck by how in the ‘60s there was a lot of interest on the left in large scale projects and planning, whether wildly utopian or pragmatic, and then things change in the 1970s and by the 80s these movements are mostly opposing big infrastructure and large scale planning. It makes these thing a bit grim and less exciting because there are no pictures of megastructures and domes etc. but is this maybe a thing of just giving up on the possibility of having planning processes represent popular interests shifting political focus to other scales?
Keith Halfacree
Early anti-covid masks?
@ Alan Smart: what about the many actions & movements trying to develop local connections, structuring and focusing protests to defend neighborhoods? and in this way reinforcing translocal links?
Alan Smart
yes, I guess it is maybe a shift in the ways of thinking of scale, and also a response to the way that neoliberalism colonized public planning processes. I’m trying to figure out something that I can’t quite pin down.
Michael Edwards
I agree very much with Alan Smart about linking the struggles of various spatial scales. Needs discussion.
Alan Smart
NO! this is wonderful
Alan Smart
Jenny Robinson
agree, fascinating, Marvi!
Jenny Robinson
I wonder how these movements across Europe confounded scales to some extent - Eg anti-US imperialism meets traffic planning in Frankfurt... sometimes political movements are made possible by the city and turn to urban issues... in London the more institutional focus at some times maybe made urban-municipal s scales more evident
Sabine Makowka
Thank you very much for these interesting insights into movements of the 80's.
Alan Smart
sorry to hijack
Alan Smart
thank you for that Marvi
Jenny Robinson
I am sorry I don't feel so well, sign of the times, so apologies, I won't speak. But fascinating to learn about all your political work and struggles. My experiences were very far away but as some of you share not unconnected. Thank you to all for preparing and sharing.
Kosta Mathey
I coudl share my squatting experience from London
Alan Moore
NYC has a significant legacy of spaces on the Lower East Side that were initially squatted or occupied, or came from those militant movements. Ditto many many EU cities.
Thank you all... I was part for a while of some of the experiences coming from/after the " postmodern hacking turn" that Lorenzo's spoke about... the issue of the claiming place and space and city (and etere and web) took other features...thank you for this panorama of stories!
Lorenzo Tripodi
The discourse was very much about autonomy, as well
Michael Edwards
Anyone who is NOT in the INURA email network should sign up (see INURA.org). Perhaps we can continue this is a session lined to Bob Colenutt’s exhibition on the 70/80 struggles in London early 2021.
Lorenzo Tripodi
Let’s do it again
Lorenzo Tripodi
More of that, we are drowning in Zoom conferences, but at least let’s do it with friends!
Roger H Keil
Thanks, Christian et al for organizing. Wonderful to see you all, comrades!